Between the past, present, and future, which one do you think of as most important?
Of course it’s the present and it will be the present in the future too. Future (미-mi, 래-rae) comes from “Not yet’” Mi (未) “come” Rae (來), something that doesn’t come immediately, and in the end something unclear. Past is something that has already passed. I believe that we have to live considering the present as most important. I think that if we don’t live in the present, you can’t live in the past or the future also.
The word “past” what does it mean to you?
When you open an old drawer, due to the air that was trapped in there, there is a hint of musty smell. That isn’t so bad. When I go to my parents’ house or grandmother’s house, or open the drawer in the room that I used to live in the past, I can smell it and there is this thing that wakes me up. It also brings back old memories. I think ‘Past’ is kind of like the smell you smell when you open old drawers like that. You stand from a far and say ‘Oh yea, there was something like this’ that kind of word.
It seems that you think special of the scent of wood.
Even all my drawers are wood drawers. The more you use wood, the more touches it receives, it wears out smoother. I really like the word patina and I like furniture that has its patina intact exactly the way it was. I think that is the characteristic that the material wood has.
What is your first ever memory?
My first memory is around when I was about three. I remember living on top of a hill where there were a lot of villas and multi-family houses. At that time, my father and mother ran a baby food business. In the evening when my father gets off work or on the weekend, thinking about it now, it was very dangerous. While driving the motorcycle, he would put me on top of his lap and deliver baby food across the hill. Back then it was just fun, it was fascinating too, when you go down a hill there is no obstacle in front of you. I was told that even though it was dangerous he took me around because I liked it so much. I have good memories of that time.
Is there something you miss from life back then?
Relationships that are made without calculations. A relationship where you become friends by just asking “heard you are so and so who lives at so and so?” When I was young I was able to establish such an equal relationship with one sentence. With the friends that I met at the playground before entering school, I had chicken fights (t/n: a game where you go around eliminating each other with one leg while you hold the other leg up. You are eliminated when the other foot touches the ground) and climbed the jungle gyms. When I was in school, with just one sentence, “I am so and so from the classroom next door, I heard your name a lot.” my friend’s friend became my friend. When I became RM, everyone knew me, people could have stereotypes, so it was hard to create a relationship on equal footing. There was already an asymmetrical part about information about each other. Going through various people, I decided to close the door of my heart. So I have times where I miss those pure equal footing relationships that I met when people didn’t know me well.
What is your first meaningful place/space?
The computer room that I had when I lived in Ilsan around when I was 13 or 14. In the house there was a separate computer room like a study. It was a small remnant room that would only fit a table and a computer. In that tiny room, I spent most of my time there. I bought a mic for the first time, recorded, and wrote lyrics. I think that room gave me the concept of ‘my own space’.
While living as BTS, do you think there was a change that made Kim Namjoon, as an individual, more clear or faded?
I studied Carl Gustav Jung’s theory and learned about Persona- Shadow-Ego, while doing the ‘LOVE YOURSELF’, ‘MAP OF THE SOUL’ series and talking about the messages of the album.
So as the ideal way of living based on my thinking, I thought that if I live separating my persona, RM of BTS , and myself as Kim Namjoon, I can live a better life. But instead, there were more times when Kim Namjoon and RM was identified as the same, and it found its middle ground and merged. Wanted to project the experience I got as RM onto human Kim Namjoon, and wanted to incorporate the thoughts I had as Kim Namjoon into RM’s music…I’ve been interacting and sharing influences like this. Hoping that one day it can merge a bit more like a lunar eclipse. If there is more overlap, I think I might be better at living this life that isn’t so normal.
How similar is your usual self in real life compared to the BTS member (you are) shown to the world?
About 70~80% similar I think. I’ve been living a life where I was open about myself. I thought about the risks that the choices would bring but still I tried to share a lot of the things I am experiencing. In a way, keeping it mysterious could’ve been more comfortable. But I wasn’t the type of person who is able to make a character by saying I’m going to create my character. I think I’m just going by my own flow.
What is “myself as it is” like?
Just a 29 year old who is greedy as others, whether it’s materialistic or its ambition for achievements. A person with a lot of goals and thoughts like ‘I’m going to do even better, going to be an even cooler person.’ I am honest about short term goals and desires but also personally also have a hope of leaving something timeless in the long run. I think I am living while fighting in between those. To do that, it requires so much effort and that’s a bit of hassle for me. But that is also who I am.
Is the current ‘Me’ and the past ‘Me’ different?
It’s very different. In the past I only chased the future, Since I felt that I was unhappy in the present. Now, I have a vision to look at myself. I think I can explain it this way. When something happens I deal with it by looking at it from my own perspective. I think I became a little bit more of an adult. Guess you can say, skills you need as a person living in the society? I think I strengthen myself in those kinds of things.
Looking back, what was the darkest moment for you?
There are moments that I have mentioned and moments that I didn’t. There were moments that I almost felt like literally going into darkness. The thing that helped me get over it in the end was time. If I don’t lose myself and continue to endure it, that can turn into a blessing in disguise or give a lesson in one way or another. It’s an obvious saying but I don’t think there is a more fair truth than ‘in the end, when time passes, everything will be resolved’. I realized that I can only get out of that dark tunnel if the time passes.
During the day, what time do you think it’s your time for yourself?
For me, my time is separated exactly into two, time I am alone, and time I am not alone.
In your mind, how old do you put yourself as?
I think I am about 31, 32 now. I think endlessly of how I would look when I turn 31 or 32. I have been doing that since about two years ago. The image changes every time I think about it. I think it’s constantly changing from receiving influences continuously from the environment that is surrounding me. So, at one point, I started not using the word “never”
Who would be the person that would be able to talk about you well the most?
I think people around me are able to see me well objectively. I don’t know what I say or do unconsciously. Those who have watched me for almost 10 years up-close watched all my dramatic changes. So I think the one who can give the most detailed answer about that kind of person I am would be those who share the same code as me, the ones who are closest to me. I think they would be able to explain about me better than myself.
It seems that you have a lot of friends that you have spent a long time with.
I did have a lot but I don’t have a lot left anymore. If I think about if it’s really necessary to have a lot, I do think 3 or 4 might be enough. But I also think having an attitude of ‘I have these friends so I don’t really want to meet new people’ is not good in terms of relationships. I believe it’s important to be open about relationships but also think precious and grateful of those with me. Closed but somewhat open, a person who lives in such a flexible way, wouldn’t they be most prosperous.
What do you like to be called the most?
My family calls me “Joon-ah”, “Joonieya’. I like being called that way because it makes me think of my childhood self. As the ones who sees me completely as human Kim Namjoon is my family. So when I am called this way, it makes me feel ‘I am still immature’ ‘I still have a side of me that is like this’ giving a bit of innocent pure heart.
Which color do you think best describes you?
Blue. Even for paintings, I like blue paintings. Blue is often used as an adjective. In the past, blue was the most expensive pigment. So I think even historically, blue felt special. Due to that reason, it approaches to me a bit more special. In the past, I liked black and white. Blue is the first saturated color that I like. I especially like indigo and ultra marine. So I like artists such as Yves Klein and Kim Whanki who use a lot of blue.
If you were to put yourself as a scent, which scent would it be?
Not sure. I am not sensitive to scents. But if I were to choose, I like a woody scent that smells like wood. A smell you would smell at Buddhist temples. It’s natural and makes you feel good just enough. I also like the smell of the body lotion I have been using for the last 5 years. People told me that I go well with the scent.
If there is something in life that is an indispensable existence, what would it be?
I definitely need to have family and friends. If I were to think broadly, nature. I get stressed if I don’t get to see grass, trees, water, or even nature that is human made. Next I need to have books and music. Also need things to do. It’s tiring trying to embrace all of that, but I think I was just born this way.
Is there something you have been constantly telling yourself recently?
“Right now, what do I want to be like?” There are times in life when you are unsure how you want to be shown right now. Have lot of those moments. To choose the choices that fit my standard, I think a lot about those thoughts. On the contrary, that worry can make me anxious.
How fast in km do you think you are going right now?
60~70 km? Speed that is not too slow, not too fast. Cars go and stop, go and stop. They would drive 100km on the freeway, and go 50 km locally. Like that, I have times when I speed up myself, and times I get dragged. Wonder how many people would solely go by their own speed, unless they are living on a deserted island.
Do you have a belief that you uphold firmly?
‘Empty vessels make the loudest sound’. Based on my observations, your inner self needs to be full. Whether it is a person, a job, a direction, or an opinion, if your inner self isn’t full there are times it feels like there is no essence. Even in short phrases, it feels like essence contains a whole thunderstruck inside. My talks tend to get long since I am still young and my thoughts are not organized (laugh), people who I respect or admire tend to only talk about the main point. They must have put so much thought into putting the core point in such short words. I don’t believe that I am putting my belief into action. I am still young so I do think it is still ok to be a bit noisy. However, in the future, I’m saying I want to be a person who isn’t noisy to myself.
If there is something you are focusing on these days, what would you say it is?
Visual art and music, I am focusing very hard one those two. At its core there is intellectual play. For me, intellectual play is very big. Studying isn’t fun but that’s also why I started.
Art history is very vast and long. If you get into art history, you need to know about architecture, philosophy, history, and also literature. So as a result you have to learn a lot of culture. Thing with history is that it is a mixture of correct answers and wrong answers which makes it more interesting.
I think that if I follow all those histories like art history one by one, there might be truth that penetrates the period. Liking visual art is continuing to do my own mental training. Even decades after an artist’s death, if you stand in front of their work, it would still give the full excitement from the person’s expression that is still alive. And I often think that artists are like a fighter who fights in solitude alone. Music gives joy of immediate reaction. It’s a complete different type of joy,
Is there a thought you always think about before going to sleep everyday?
If I can’t go to sleep quickly, the only thought that comes to my mind is ‘I really need to sleep right now.’ Then I continuously think, ‘It’s going to be a problem if I don’t go to sleep right now ‘ a lot. But honestly if I was thinking this at 3 am? Then it’s already over. (laugh) I would be able to sleep if I didn’t think about those thoughts. I think humans are so weak. Since they aren’t able to get out of it if they start thinking about one thing. So I would force myself to drink a little bit of alcohol or shower. That is how I try to relax my body.
When you think of the word ‘Dream’ what is the first thing that pops up in your mind?
Miyazaki Hayao’s <Castle in the Sky>. I really like this movie. When I watch that, it makes me think that the place I want to live is there. “I am going to accomplish something when I am 40” Honestly those things, it doesn’t really matter to me whether it comes true or not. What’s more important is the thought of ‘I have a dream’ That’s good enough. I think dreams are like <Castle in the Sky> or like a heat haze you see from afar.
Are there any characters from a movie or a drama that you would like to resemble?
I want to live like the main characters from Miyazaki Hayao’s animation. Not that I want to live in a fairy tale but I want to live with having something child-like. I guess I am socially mature but still want to be a child who hasn’t been spoiled yet. In <Thus Spake Zarathustra>, Philosopher Nietzsche describes the 3 stages of the human mind: camel, lion, and child. A child in that sense. I want to live like a child who can live satisfied everyday without being jealous of others. I think I might have too much greed to become like that though but to at least be somewhat like it, I am practicing to speak it out.
If you were to look at life as one road, how far do you think you came now?
I think I just barely went over one hill out of many other hills. Life is so long, I have a long way to go. They say people now live about 130 years, then that means I have to do something for the next 100 years that is left, So I feel like I just went over one hill.
If there is a door at the end of this road that you are passing, what do you think is behind the door?
The door is probably ‘30 years old’. Honestly I am scared of what’s behind the door. I feel like there would be something that even though I am afraid of it now, if I go past it it won’t be much. For example, the interest on us would go down, then the baton would be passed to somewhere which I am afraid of. Because I don’t want to let go of it. Once I let go of it it wouldn’t be big of a deal but I am afraid. It’s not that I would suddenly fall somewhere but just another step will open. Even so, I guess because I am a human, while being afraid, I am also waiting for it.
Do you think you are currently standing in a crossroad of change?
I have always been at a crossroad of change. I just think that I don’t know where this change will take me. So I put my best effort into the present. I feel like if I try my best to indulge in the things that I love right now, this would take me somewhere again someday.
Do you believe there is a predestined fate?
There are times when it’s good to believe that there is fate and times when it’s good to say that there isn’t such a thing as fate. I am believing it just enough. I think it’s too cruel to day there are none, I just think there is probably something like it.
If you were to make a documentary about yourself, which song do you want to put on ending credit?
There isn’t one yet. I think it’s normal that there isn’t one. Since I believe that there is so much of me left still, there isn’t one. I need to live in the present. But if there is a deadline in my life and I was told that I need to make ending credits, that my movie is over, then I will have to make one. While saying “Wow, how am I going to do this!” (laugh)
What are three key words that can define you?
WORK, LIVE, BALANCE. Exactly just these three. The most important one is balance. I always think about balance. I try my best to balance out these three.
When was the “Moment of Proof”?
Until now, I think I lived clinging to the word “proof’. So in a way I thought it was unfortunate because there is no end to proving. The moment I think that I have proved myself , people will agree with it and immediately require a new proof. So I think that proof is unsubstantial. Whether we get no.1 on Billboard Chart, receive big awards, for some that still doesn’t prove it. Looking back, the moments that I thought ‘if I just do this, it will prove it’ did not prove anything at all. In the end, no matter how much I think about it, I don’t think I had a specific ‘Moment of Proof’. For me, just starting music was the start of proof, the moment I became BTS, all those moments were a moment of proof.
Not to the world but is there something you want to prove to yourself?
There is a lot. If I can look back later and see that I did more things that were good than harm to the world while being born on this earth, I think that would be a kind of proof to myself. I think while living, just by eating and trashing we are doing a lot of harm to this planet. But if I can inspire people through things I do, maybe that can give a room for offset a little. Whether it offsetted or not, I’ll know when I look back later. If I don’t have big regrets, if my feelings are a bit comfortable, then I think that’s the moment I proved to myself.
Do you tend to put effort in trying not to be swayed by the world’s standard?
Although the standards of the world are changing fast, I think there are truths that don’t change. Realistically, if I were just trying to adapt to the changing world it would be too difficult. But I don’t think I can earn the truth easily. Truth is something you can get by paying a valuable price like time and effort, and also you have to learn it yourself. I believe I’m going by following milestones of respectable adults that I put as role models. So I think it’s ok to be swayed a little.
Personally, what is the most meaningful album out of the whole BTS discography?
I think members would all answer the same but <LOVE YOURSELF 轉 ‘Tear’>. First reason is, this album could have been postponed indefinitely or could have been not released at all due to internal circumstances. Second, I know this album has received the best reviews from the critics, not that ratings are important but it’s an album that we put our soul into each song and people recognized it. At that time, there were a lot of lyricists competing and I wrote fiercely so I wouldn’t fall behind. Like its name, it’s an album written with tears. And because this album exists we were able to move onto the next.
If there was a song that was most difficult in <LOVE YOURSELF 轉 ‘Tear’>, which one would it be?
‘Outro : Tear’. It was a unit song and this song’s production was difficult. The recording was difficult as well. It was the song that required the most soul. A song that is possible if you were fully immersed into it. With the same meaning, ‘FAKE LOVE’ went the same as well. Rapping was hard. Honestly there wasn’t a song in that album that was easy.
Intro: Persona
What does this song mean to you?
It’s the song I wrote most honestly. I wrote thinking much and without being bound to anything. So I think it may be the lyrics that are like myself the most. If I look at it now, there are parts that are not so good but back then I had no choice but to put those words. If it was now I would write it differently.
What is your favorite part of this song?
The last chorus lyrics. “Persona, who the hell am I, I just wanna go I just wanna fly’ It’s a lyric with nothing. But back then, it was like that. That was it. ‘I just wanna go I just wanna fly’ is a lyric even an elementary student can write. But other than that there was nothing to write and that was very fun. There were other good words but there was nothing better than that which could explain my feelings the best. I think it’s the most ‘child-like something’ that I am after.
In the lyrics is there a part that hits you differently now?
Now I feel distant from the entire song. This song is a trace of that time. If you tell me to write this song again now, I don’t think I would choose a difficult beat like that. I think I would write it bluntly. With a little more refined and filtered lyrics. Back then, I think the raw feeling itself was the best choice.
What can your persona of now tell your persona of that time?
I don’t think I would be giving any advice. Just, “Do what you wanna do” about this much. If you interfere with the history it can mess up, so you have to just stay still. That is the truth.
If there is a persona of you that you want to show in the future what would it be?
Music with the timelessness that can be heard over time regardless of the trends and that kind of me. For example Yoo Jae-ha, Kim Kwangseok sunbaenim’s songs are contemporary even if you listen to them right now. Even if the sound quality is a bit poor it still doesn’t sound like an old song. This kind of song resonates the same for the younger generation. I believe art is the same. If you were to ask what contemporary art is, for example, for me, Monet or Gogh is contemporary. I don’t mean to say ‘I like things from the past’. Of course, right now, I try to see a lot of works that are being produced at the same time. Since I want my contemporaneity to continue even after time passes. So I have my own definition and contemporary music that I want to make. A grand persona is easy to make a fuss, so there is a possibility that it’s an empty vessel (laugh) but if these empty vessels continue, one day something that is full will come out.
If you were to release a part 2 of this song, what would you choose as a title?
Since all my personal work that would be released in the future would be all my story in the end. So all the songs will be part 2 and 3 of Persona. In other words, all the songs will be the persona of that time.
Stay
What does this song mean to you?
This song is a special song for me. During the planning stage, there were many other candidate songs that had a different vibe than the current song. The title of the song was also ‘Whatever’. But this song came out based on the melody and lyrics Jungkook wrote in a different direction. In the end, it became a better song and got recognized by others. Since the song was made during such a confusing time, I think the emotions of that time melted into it well. As a result I think it’s a ‘good’ song.
Is there a personal standard for a ‘good song’?
I think the standard is me. ‘Eternity’ is one of the criteria, and there are songs that still have a certain smell or inspiration even after the time passes. I think that is a good song.
Is there a point that adds more charm because the song is a unit song of RM, JIN, and JUNGKOOK?
First, it’s a song in which Jungkook wrote all the melodies, so I think it was able to show another charm of Jungkook very well. Also the combination of me, JIN, and JUNGKOOK is a combination that we have never tried before so it’s more special.
It’s a song that was made during the pandemic, is there something new that you realized at that time?
I realized a lot of things but now I can’t remember. Now that the pandemic is coming to an end, the thought that it’s really nice to have a daily life comes up to me big. Daily life during the pandemic wasn’t something I chose, it was chosen.
What does the pandemic period mean for you now?
Going through that time, my own personal time has increased physically, and I have been able to think and reflect a lot. So I now have a clearer direction in how I want to live. It’s ironic but I can say it was a compass like time.
Going through that period, if there was something that comforted you the most what would it be ?
Exhibitions and books that I have seen as much as I wanted. When I was busy, I lived with the books out of my hands but after the pandemic I piled up the books and started reading again. It was also nice to be able to spend longer time with my friends. As a result, all the times that I was able to live completely as Kim Namjoon, and not RM, has comforted me.
Is there something new that you have discovered about yourself recently?
That I am a multifaceted person. I like this and I also like that. I like Monet’s work and I also like Yun Hyong-Keun’s artworks. So the people who I feel are interesting and amazing, are those who say ‘I have found my own path’. When I see people who have somewhat defined themselves, I am curious and want to talk to them. Another thing is the yearning for what I create to be a work that can be hung anywhere for a long time. Recently I went to The Museum of Modern Art and saw Cy Twombly’s work and it caught my heart. Guess you can say, non-verbal aura? But in the end, the reason I was able to discover the new side was because the work was hung somewhere for a long time and I was able to look at it continuously. I have newly discovered that, that yearning was firm.
What does the album <Proof> mean to BTS?
I would say probably the album that wraps up season 1. At one point you have to put an end to one thing and that moment is right now. Some might feel sad but we are closing it with our own hands and opening a new door again with our own hands. I think that is meaningful.